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Submitted by Nitpicker : Anonymous
Movie : Master and Commander - 2003
Nitpick Category : Historical Fact
Nitpick Number : 61682
Approximate time of Nitpick : 3/4 of the way through
Summary : Surprise vs Acheron (Refuted)
Detail : This deals with the Acheron being described in the movie as a Yankee built heavy 44 gun frigate.

HMS Surprise was a frigate rated at 28 guns, according to the movie. A 28 gun British frigate of the era would have mounted a main battery of 9 pounder cannon. When the Surprise engages the Acheron at the end of movie, she brings down the Acheron's main mast with a single broadside from her main battery.

The only heavy 44 gun frigate built in Boston prior to 1805 was the USS Constitution, aka Old Ironsides. The Constitution enganged two British frigates in 1812, each rated at 38 guns, each mounting a main battery of 18 pounder cannons. The Constitution engaged each British frigate at close range, took multiple broadsides from the British 18 pounders, took hits to her masts and never lost a mast.

If the Acheron was indeed a Yankee built heavy 44 gun frigate, HMS Surprise would have been incapable of shooting away her main mast with a single broadside from her main battery of 9 pounders.



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by Basketvector   Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:29 PM

You can't draw comparisons about that real fight and the one in Master and Commanader because there are several important differences. First of all, Russel Crowe's broadside was at point blank range (owing to his rouse), where the constitution battle was at its closest approach a quarter mile. Secondly, just because Constitution didn't loose a mast doesn't mean its impossible - remember that Russel Crowe specifically ordered the guns to fire on the mast, which was probably not the case in the constitution engagement. A battery of 9 pounders is perfectly capable of taking down a single tree trunk when fired at point blank range.\r\rBy the way, USS Constitution engaged HMS Cyane and HMS Levant in 1815 and they were 22 and 20 guns respectively - i presume that's the encounter you were referring to.