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Submitted by Nitpicker : 23472
Series : Star Trek: The Next Generation
Episode : Encounter at Farpoint (1)
Nitpick Category : Technological Fact
Nitpick Number : 1140
Approximate time of nitpick : 2/3 of the way through
Summary : Saucer seperation while at warp?
Details : \n The Enterprise is being chased by the Q's force field energy ball thing and decides to seperate the saucer from the 'battle bridge', send the civilians off somewhere safe while they show the Q what for. Problem is the seperation takes place under warp, and all the warp capability of the ship is in the aft section! The saucer section, which has no capacity to generate a warp field (and so maintain it's speed above lightspeed) drifts one direction, and the Battle Bridge goes to confront the Q... what happend to the saucer when it leaves the warp field generated by the other section of the ship? It's impossible for matter to move past lightspeed without either infinite mass or infinite energy, which the warp engines somehow overcome, so shouldn't the saucer have been annilhilated, or collapsed into a singularity or something similarly nasty? \r\n


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designed for it

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by Toomanymovies   Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:31 PM

Since the Enterprise is designed for travel at warp speed seperating from the warp field would not cause any damage. The Enterprise, at the time, was travelling at I believe Warp 9, once seperated, the saucer section would slowly lose there momentum till they were at sub-light speeds. The inertial dampeners would have protected the ship and the crew during and after seperation.

 

Design and emerging from warp fields.

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by 36915   Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:31 PM

Given that this manoeuvre is carried out using 24th century technology, and that Data states that it is theoretically possible to detach the saucer section at high warp velocity (although never tried, and there is no margin for error), I don't think this is really a nitpick. In any case the entire vessel routinely emerges from its own warp field every time it slows to sublight velocity with no ill effects.

 

that's not the problem!

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by 38136   Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:31 PM

The problem is that the saucer still made it to Farpoint by itself. I kinda doubt that the seperation took place close enought for the saucer to get to its destination on impulse drive.

 

I agree with the nitpick

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by 41728   Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:31 PM

Data saying it's theortically possible is just an easy way to not deal with the physics. If a warp engine protects the ship from the effects of traveling over the speed of light (or moving space around the ship as some say), then when they separate, the saucer would be subject to 'normal' physics and would most likely become infinitely heavy, infinitely slowed (time dilation), and/or destroyed. It shouldn't be able to bring them out of warp on it's own.

 

The answer is....

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by 43836   Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:31 PM

The answer is in Part 2 of the "Star Trek - The Collectors Edition" magazine, it states (and i quote) "The Enterprise's main warp nacelles are located on the vessel's drive section. The saucer module has its own engines which are capable of impulse and low warp speeds, thus allowing it to maintain considerable velocity after seperation". So, the saucer CAN travel at warp allowing it to stay ahead of the drive section and catch up with it later.

 

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by 48018   Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:31 PM

Technically, warp drive does not "push" a ship faster than light speed. Warp drive folds space, that is, it takes two disparate points in space and folds space over like a piece of cloth so the points are then next to each other. Technically, the ship doesn't move at all, space does, so if something like the saucer section fell out of the warp bubble presumably it would simply stop folding space beneath it and come to a rest in whatever part of space was around it at the time.

 

Warp Drive Operation

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by 50023   Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:31 PM

Warp drive actually is like Alcubierre drive, in that spacetime is being contracted in the front of the bubble and expanded in the rear of the bubble. Thus the ship is riding a sort of 3d wave of moving spacetime, and, because it is stationary relative to this local spacetime wave, it experiences none of the unwanted effects of ftl travel. Any portion of the ship leaving the warp bubble while it was still operational without the bubble's expansion/contraction being properly altered where the ship wanted to exit the bubble would be either crushed or ripped apart, depending on whether it went through the contracting part or the expanding part of the bubble. Also, subspace, as used in the series, and hyperspace are not the same thing.